Mike McConnell and I are pleased to introduce two new deaf bloggers to Deaf Conservative Republicans blog: Jeff Kurz and Eddie Runyon. Welcome aboard, guys!
Jeff has his first new blog yesterday: Forecast on Government Health Care Reform: Another Failure.
We are hoping for few more deaf conservative Republicans interesting in being guest bloggers for DCR in anticipation for the 2010 election season.
Onward, good soldiers of the Republic. 
12/01/2009 at 1:16 PM
You are making yourselves damn fools! Quit b.s. and help everyone in the need. All you do is nothing but whine!
12/01/2009 at 1:49 PM
Quite the contrary. True patriotic Americans are trying to save America from the continuing destruction of our economy; the continuing loss of jobs; the weakening of our national defense; increased taxation on every American citizens; the weakening of our world class health care; the worsening of our debts which is a disservice to the poor; the increased spending deficit with $1.4 trillion dollars so far in 9 months; continuing Medicare fraud and waste costing taxpayers $60 billion dollars a year and yet he wants a nationalized heath care to boot, the continuing destabilization of global security; the overly dependence on foreign oil when we have enough for ourselves already to drill; and so on and so forth.
Who would be idiotic enough to spend 5 times as much as Bush did in one year of spending or the equivalent of 4 years of while Bush was in office?
Considering what he has done he puts to the new meaning of the words “miserable failures”….plural.
12/01/2009 at 1:50 PM
Secondly, “a disgusted Republican” if you’re a true conservative Republican you’d understand the value of lower taxes, limited government, capitalism, regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility and accountability are what makes America a secure and responsible nation.
12/01/2009 at 2:49 PM
Unfortunately, Bush and Cheney lied about WMD and other things.
12/01/2009 at 3:16 PM
Whoa, whoa. What they said look a bit different when read in full context. To call them lies suggests Bush and his advisers knew they were wrong at the time. They might be misinformed by the intelligence especially British Intelligence or the weapons were never found. Bush said “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” – Note “The British Government”?
For a devil advocate, let’s argue from your side. I’d say planet Neptune is a whole scam. Hey I never see it even though some people have seen it. Those liars.
Clinton lied much more and Obama’s teleprompter lies a lot.
Don’t look at the grain of sand – observe the beach.
12/01/2009 at 3:36 PM
That mean Clinton and Congress lied, too? They both (Bush and Clinton) had the same information and conclusions.
Point being, you’re not a Republican but a coward.
12/01/2009 at 5:33 PM
I welcome additional Deaf Conservative Republican bloggers and look forward to their writings! What about doing the vlog postings??
Digustged Republican and Rumblintank, many elected officeholders occassionally lie thru their teeths or hands.
George W. Bush would be seen as a f**ked-up Republican, who know nothing about the ideals of conservativism no matter the party affilation.
No questions about Dicky (Cheney) being the Darth Vader of small-minded conservative Republican, who refuse to compromise or rationalize. All his doings are very laughable and pitful!
Bush and Cheney should be not allowed to run in the first place since Cheney illegally changed the state residence from Texas to Wyoming as a primary residence. Both guys should be tried at the trial and put them in prison for defrauding the U.S. Constitution banning both running mates from same states.
Many Republicans like Cheney and GWHB just used Texas as their primary residence to avoid paying a lot of taxes. What the cheap skates they are! Those guys think that is all right for not sharing their fair shares, ex. income.
For example, Bush’s father’s primary residence in Kennekport (msp.), Maine, but claim Texas as his main residence in the Texas hotel room. Huh!
Where are our outrages??
I do consider myself “pragmatic progressive” open to negoitations and compromises to make things happen!
Every of us have to give in sometimes to pave the middle of road than hogging the whole road. Don’t you agree?
That’s why FDR was a successful “son of bitch”. He was much willing to reasonate and see compromises like not have to subject to the balanced budgets.
Pros and cons of the New Deal still up in the air to make the fuss. The New Deal brought people some faith in the government to make the democracy possible than letting the fewer people monopolize the wealth for themselves.
Robert L. Mason
RLMDEAF
12/01/2009 at 6:01 PM
RLM, I disagree with your comment about Dick Cheney. You know very little about Dick Cheney. The man has more connections and influences worldwide than Obama himself. If he’s eager to run for President in 2012, I’m all for it.
By the way, Cheney is from Wyoming, not Texas.
On the other hand, regarding the New Deal, it did nothing to alleviate the ailing US economy and extended the pains longer than FDR. It took a world war to get the US economy out of the Great Depression, not the New Deal itself.
12/01/2009 at 6:30 PM
Underhill,
I said that Cheney lived in Texas at that time when he appointed himself as the VP candidate. Some media reports raised the constitutionality issue about residence requirement. Cheney changed his primary residence from Texas (work for the Haliburtion) to Wyoming. That was
really a grave scheme Cheney pulled and disrespect the U.S. Constitution.
Whatever you said about the so-called schemes of the New Deal. Yes, that were truthfully documented.
Some of the New Deal incentives like the Conservation Civilian Corps (CCC) and Public Works Adminstration (WPA) were the best things happened to America like bringing the real progress to many places like the building of post office and economic developments, etc.
Who will be the running mate for Cheney? Vous? Why not?
RLM
12/01/2009 at 8:50 PM
Rob:
Thanks for the welcome. I also just posted my first blog piece a short while ago. Enjoy the read.
Robert Mason:
I think you will find my piece interesting, somewhat. It is a well established fact that the New Deal programs (specifically the WPA) evolved into nothing more than a tool by which to buy votes and further cement dependency upon the government as the savior. Government has a role, but it must be limited in scope. This country was made great by those who wanted less government involvement in their lives and simply the opportunity to succeed on their own terms. Since the New Deal, too many people have suckled at the teat of the government treasury, funded by those who work hard, pay taxes and try to make life better for themselves.
Eddie
12/01/2009 at 11:51 PM
“the man has more connections and influences worldwide”
yes through corruption, deceit and lies.
(Blogger’s note: I changed your ID since I don’t think you’re really a Republican. A troll, no less.)
12/02/2009 at 2:06 AM
Suit yourself! I know Bob Dole so be it!
12/02/2009 at 9:33 AM
I was not impressed with the performance of the Bush Administration due to its strange and abnormal ideologies that hurt the USA the most.
The USA is now dealing with its old demons (the diseases of Bush administration such as deficits, paranoids, distrustful, corruptions). The Obama administration has no choice but it has been forced to increase a huge deficit to clean up the mess as a temporary measurement.
You think Capitialism is better than Socialism. Let you know I am shaking my head at that comment. Nothing is better than either of Capitalism or Socialism and nothing is worse than that. Too much capitialism is no good and too much socialism is no good as well. I believe in balance as long as they are part of democracy.
Health care in Canada is working well and of course is not perfect. We could not trade it for anything. In Canada, health care is a RIGHT. In the states, health care is a PRIVILEGE.
Canada (a bit more socialism than USA) is one of the most fiscal conservative countries in the world and has a strong belief in social liberalism. Canada has lower number of unemployed and has lower deficit. Canada has a strong banking system (top in the world that many countries are going to copy the concept of Canadian banking system). None of Canadian banks went bankrupty. They even earned profits.
I think you need to get out of the box and see for yourself…
By the way, I am a fiscal conservative and social liberal (with a basic safety net and equality for everyone). I support business world as long as it has shown its accountability not only to itself but also to the community as a whole.
Deafchip
12/02/2009 at 12:18 PM
Mike -
You have no right to change my handle. You have poor taste and poor judgement. This is why you are being unpopular!
I am disgusted republican because Bush and Cheney twisted the idealogies further. This is not what Abraham Lincoln envisioned.
I view that party as fearmongers who lied to the world and shamed America like never before.
I am still disgusted republican and you cannot change that!
12/02/2009 at 12:34 PM
Deafchip, Canada is not like the United States. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Capitalism is not the problem, it’s some people abusing capitalism for their own gains and not contributing these gains to maximize economic productivity and spur the markets, instead they spend recklessly on something with no return of investment and squirreling away money for their own ends. The points of capitalism are confidence in free enterprise and a willingness to take risks with investments, markets, and goods. Government oversights and restrictive regulations are socialism and these do nothing but prolong the pains of the markets and put more people to depend on the government totally.
12/02/2009 at 1:00 PM
To Disgusted Troll “Republican”, this is my blog and I reserve the right to edit or delete any comment or commentator… in case of excessive profanity, repeated inane statements, and/or trolling are involved.
You have not offer anything substantial or argumentative to back up why you’re disgusted with Bush and Cheney except to repeat the same leftist blah-blahs that I’ve seen or read so often in the last 9 years. Your first post is a yelling and whining post, typically of an angry leftist. You have not offer up any intelligent comment in an argumentative fashion so far, except that you’re a disgusted “Republican” repeating old leftist anti-Bush cliches.
I don’t always agree with some of things that Bush did in his two terms, but I don’t goes around screaming, whining and stomping my feet about the “evils” of Bush-Cheney and reiterating same leftist cliches in other blogs or forum boards. There are deeper, more complex reasons involved and certain circumstances for short-term or long-term repercussions. That being said, I don’t agree with Obama and his current policies, yet I try to look for deeper reasons or factors behind these policies and moves, in anticipating what would be the outcomes and who would gain or lose from them. Obama may be an indecisive, narcissist, and weak-willed President but he’s no fool. He is comfortably surrounded by peoples who are far more invested in re-transforming America into something that it was never designed for in the first place.
And Mike has his own blog: Kokonut Pundits.
12/02/2009 at 1:29 PM
If there were a perfect world, capitalism would be perfect. If there were a perfect world, socialism would be perfect.
I believe in capitalism but I am very much aware that capitalism does not have any brain, it is just a tool that any person can use. If so, we have to expect bad and good practices of capitalism. Same with socialism.
Canada and the United States have similar free enterprise capitalism. Canada tends to have more regulated capitalism than the USA for the purpose of reducing corruptions and flaws. For example, Canadian government set regulations that prohibit banks to use sub prime mortgages. The socialist regulations save capitalism and our money and even us, the taxpayers. While, in the states, American taxpayers have to pay ultimate price for not having much regulated capitalism. it is not fair for American taxpayers at the expenses of irresponsible lack of regulated capitalism.
I dont think orange and apple concept has anything to do with that. It is wise to make socialist regulations to preserve capitalism for both of individual and group (collective) and be a fiscal conservative!
Deafchip
12/02/2009 at 1:56 PM
I also want to mention about health care system. It appears that the USA is now facing health care crisis that Canada experienced about 50 years ago. Many people opposed to public funded health care system and attacked the idea. Now approximately 85 percent of Canadians prefer public funded health care system over private funded health care system. According to statisitcs, only 8 percent of Canadians perfer private funded insurnaces. The practice of health care system is very much the same as the American health care system. The only difference is provincial government funded insurance that is for all with Federal government regulations to protect rights of clients to access health care. We have right to choose doctor, hospital, clinic and others like USA. We do not have to worry about paying the bills. We will never see the bills. The government funded insurnaces take care of that. All provnces have set up their own government funded insurnace. Governments are prohibited to touch our privacy. If so, it will violate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Can you see that we have a bit higher tax is the reason that health care expernses are included in taxes. it is no difference that Americans have a bit lower tax but still have to pay insurance… I have been told that the cost of monthly payment is unimagable that many Americans are struggling to pay. More and more companies cannot afford health care premuims for their employees.
Deafchip
12/02/2009 at 3:59 PM
Er, Canada is experiencing NOW their own health care crisis….and not 50 years ago. This is what you get when it comes to socializing medicine so extensively that it bogs down and implode under its own weight.
http://sibbyonline.blogs.com/sibbyonline/2009/08/the-canadian-health-care-crisis.html
12/02/2009 at 4:23 PM
Capitalism? Say, we haven’t yet experienced the true capitalism. It existed until the government takes more control of our lives – e.g. FDR’s the New Deal, hiking taxes, etc. Free enterprise capitalism wouldn’t come with sale tax or FDA approval.
Do you know that under true laissez-faire capitalism, the companies would do much better. Why would they risk polluting, making bad products or doing anything wrong that would lose the customers? Reputation.
Government thinks we are too dumb to make choices so the government acts as our chooser. We are stuck with few competitions, etc.
The government’s job is to protect rights, not to regulate people’s affairs. Under the government regulations, it hurts the companies much more. e.g. we can choose to smoke cigars or not – we cant just blame the cigar company and get a lot of money going in lawyers’ pockets. At that dimmed sense, it’s easy suing every company. That easy. What does it say about our responsibilities?
Why are Canadians and Europeans still coming to here for emergency surgeries and other medical procedures? It’s timing – we get much faster medical attention here. Well, if you don’t count the domino pizza delivery..
12/02/2009 at 4:36 PM
Mcconnell,
That is exactly what Right wing supporters are trying to use that as red herrings to scare Americans away from the truth. I have never had a problem with health care access. All of my family members and friends have been treated normally. As I said, Canadian health care system is not perfect but we are working very hard to improve it gradually. Generally, we are happy with our own health care system.
Look at the result of statisitcs: http://www.nupge.ca/node/2486
http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada.aspx
Enjoy reading!
12/02/2009 at 4:50 PM
About Canadians going to states for health reason, in fact, it is about distance itself. For example, if I have a heart problem that can be treated at a large hospital in a very large city however I live 4 hours away from the large city but I live merly a few minutes from a large city in the states like Detroit, it makes sense for me to go there rather than go to Toronto. If I live near Toronto, I don’t have to go Detroit or Buffalo anyway. A few Canadians have to go to the states to get special services that Canada does not have or not yet approve.
Many Canadians have gone to the states during winter period, they tend to use American health care system. That is another reason for Canadians using that.
12/02/2009 at 5:49 PM
Deafchip, you need to consider the differences between America and Canada when it comes to health care affairs and the costs. America has over 300 million people and Canada has like 30 million or so? Not to mention there are scores of illegal immigrants living in the US, taking advantages of the US health care and leaving the bills to American taxpayers after perusing its health care services. Why should we have to pay the bills left by those who won’t pay back, abuse the system and get away with it? Our health care system is not working in some forms and the new health care reform bill will not even reform the broken system, only putting more burdens to it, not relieve it. We don’t believe in imposing and forcing government health care upon citizens, doing so give them little choices and force to pay money (via taxing) to those who will abuse it for some stupid reasons (example: I’m not going to pay tax to fund abortion for someone else).
You have the benefits of lower population count and small percentage of illegals in your country. We don’t.
12/02/2009 at 11:54 PM
I can see your points but you cannot keep status quo system because it does not work well. Must find a solution and be creative.
Our health care system is not perfect but we are working to improve it and adjust it by getting community involved in. It is community based decision making rather than government but government still pays our health care system through public funded insurance system. I do not want corporates (health insurnace companies) to make decision. I have my health card that recognizes me as a Canadian citizen. Illegal immigrants cannot access our health care system without highly security health card.
Anyway, all I can say is that I hope ALL Americans will get good health care system.
Deafchip
12/03/2009 at 7:54 AM
Deafchip
That’s good you hope ALL Americans will get good health care system. Sadly it is not true – it’s like more of all of us will get poorer and lousy health care. Do more research – you’d be surprised.
There are many reasons which Im not going to list all, but for a starter, under the Obamacare, women would not get mammogram exam until they reach 50 years old. The original recommendation has been 40 years old. All of the sudden what makes Federal/Democrats/Obama a god to say 50!? My dear friend died of breast cancer at 31 yr old. My mother in law died of it. She was found with the cancer when she was 42.
So, it is obvious that ALL Americans will not get good health care system. Also many doctors are consider quitting if the healthcare…er Obamacare is for real. Sad
12/03/2009 at 6:27 PM
Hi Rumblintank,
I see what you explained. Perhaps Americans should go ahead to support the concept of universal health care system for all Americans such as basic health care coverage such as to emergency to avoid any long term sufferings and death. That in my opinion is an essential service for all. Yes I agree that mammogram exam should be used as early as possible to prevent any expensive operation or terrible suffering in the future.
Perhaps Americans can go ahead to support flawed system but in long term, flawed system can be corrected gradually similar to ours… We have seen improvement in our health care system by correcting it gradually and we know it is not a perfect system but we just appreciate that we have it and want to improve it. That would be possible for Americans.
I see your point about illegal immigrants… We use health card (security system) that thief could not abuse. It happened in the past and we adjusted and corrected the card system and it is vastly improved over the years.
You cannot expect to have a perfect system right away like build Rome in one day… not possible… just set the goal and make it work as much as possible…
12/04/2009 at 2:49 AM
We ought to treat illegal immigrants to prevent the severe disease outbreaks, then detain them to pay bills and seize their property, ex. house or car or their children to be send to the work camp to pay off the medical bills to teach those people not trying to beat the system.
Many Phillippines women often get on air flights to California to make sure that their children born in the U.S. to be the native-born U.S. citizen and bill their hosptial bills to the American taxpayers.
We ought to revoke foreigners’ babies’ U.S. citizens if they are planning the schemes to guarnatee their citizenship where they born in.
We ought to re-examine the 14th Amendment to keep foreigners from exploiting us for the free citizenship for their own children and at the expenses of American taxpayers.
RLM
12/04/2009 at 10:45 AM
Hm. I followed the link McConnell posted.
> Er, Canada is experiencing NOW their own health
> care crisis….and not 50 years ago. This is what
> you get when it comes to socializing medicine so
> extensively that it bogs down and implode under
> its own weight.
> http://sibbyonline.blogs.com/sibbyonline/2009/08
> /the-canadian-health-care-crisis.html
I don’t see what this contributes to the discussion except that Canada is also experiencing a demand/supply problem with health care. Of course, in Canada, everyone has access to care. In the US, not everyone does. It makes sense that if you have more people with access, there is going to be a wait.
The US might face a demand/supply problem when universal coverage comes along. But I feel this problem will be more because of the shortage of health care providers like doctors – primary care providers in particular. One would hope that tort reform (a big Republican plank) would help get more doctors to go back to primary care.
My friends on the left and my friends on the right all seem to agree we have a problem and need to change the system to make it accessible to all Americans. Of course, no system will ever be perfect. But standing still is not an option. It is sad to watch two sides expend so much energy and spew so much vitriol to score points. Things are being said that really do not contribute to productive deliberation. The common goal is to improve upon things for the betterment of our families.
Health care should not be politicized, any more than the military, police, fire departments, libraries, roads, water department, and other public works are.
And, for the record, McConnell, yes, Canada did experience a crisis with health care some 50 years ago. It seems to have mainly been caused by the Great Depression, however. Wikipedia has a historical page on the matter at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
It is also very interesting to note per-capita health care expenditures versus life expectancy in the US as opposed to countries like Australia and Canada:
81.4 years / $3137 in Australia (similar in Canada)
78.1 years / $7290 in the US
Hmm…
12/04/2009 at 11:25 AM
Right, we would want everyone to have the health care, but sometimes it’s not fair. Is it any fair if we work our butt off hard to get the diploma and then the job, and then end up paying taxes to provide health care for the lazy people? (Not the helpless people) There are people out there who are taking advantage of us via our taxes literally and it’s no wonder the government keeps growing to aid those “poor” people.
The reasons the medicines and health care are expensive here are because of the cost of getting FDA approval and expenses on getting all legal issues covered. So comparing to another country, its like apples and oranges.
Life expectancy is a whole different ballgame. Because of all different factors such as weather, foods, going to wars, stress, etc. Life expectancy is very low in Ivory Coast and boy, you wouldnt believe how cheap the medical costs are in there.
Bottom line is we cannot just be responsible for another person even whom we do not know. Federal government should just protects the nation.
Thomas Jefferson said, “”A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….”
12/04/2009 at 4:08 PM
Not just “did happen” but continues today in the health care govt run business. Especially problematic is the wait time.
http://www.waittimealliance.ca/index.htm
The recent report card doesn’t look good on wait time for the next 5 years in Canada which is believed that wait time will increase.
http://www.waittimealliance.ca/June2009/Report-card-June2009_e.pdf
Secondly, never use Wikipedia as your source to back up your argument(s). You should know why.
Thirdly, this is socialized medicine which means more rationing as population continues to grow while resources diminishes. It’s simply unsustainable. And Canadian doctors know that. We should take a clue from our northern neighbor on what we should NOT do here in the states.
12/04/2009 at 4:29 PM
This is a good article about Obama’s Big Sellout to the Wall Street –
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/matt-taibbi-obamas-big-se_n_378705.html
RLM
12/04/2009 at 4:53 PM
Democrats gonna lose big their congressional seats come this November 2010 election.
12/04/2009 at 5:58 PM
I agree with 3ric… his argument makes senses!
Would we rather to save money than life regardless of their background? In the states, it is very expensive to have health care almost double of costs than many countries yet still less life expectancy! Capitalist health care system does not work.
I would rather to save foreigner’s life than private insurance’s money. Private insurances have ripped off Americans more than foreigners do to Americans. People are more important to me than money itself… money can be replaced, people don’t!
12/04/2009 at 8:19 PM
deafchipmunk: I would rather to save foreigner’s life than private insurance’s money. Private insurances have ripped off Americans more than foreigners do to Americans.
Um, people PAY money to private insurers for its services. Just like you pay money to a private auto insurer to keep you insured when you’re driving a car. Private insurers “store” your money in case you need their services one day, if you got into an accident or worse and require medical treatments. You tell your doctor or nurse that you’re insured by this private insurer, they check your records and contact your insurer for billing and so forth. This is how it works.
So exactly how private insurers rip off Americans and foreigners, especially those PAYING them for its services? Maybe few private insurers of ill repute could do that but they are subjected to federal and state regulations involved and could go out of business faster than you can say it.
12/04/2009 at 8:40 PM
Rob,
I strongly disagree with you about the private health insurance.
The main reason for the skyrocketing cost of health care is private insurance’s demand for more paperworks on doctors and their office staffers to file and process paperworks.
Many doctors have to do additional tests in fear of private insurances and potential lawsuits.
President Obama want to simplify the process of health care by internalizing the medical files into very accessible means for doctors to find out about their patients’ medical history.
We need to make the health care system to be more accessible and logical.
Deafchip surely have heart for all the people to receive health care than only the well-offs.
Why didn’t the American health care system encourage more preventive cares and regular health evaluations as very simple solutions to costly health care system.
The latest congressional health care reform is somewhat a joke!
I will submit the link later this weekend.
RLM
12/05/2009 at 10:45 AM
I agree with RLM…
I strongly feel that the Americans should have “BASIC” universal health care system called preventable program to promote healthy, increase sin taxes (cigarettes), have regular basic check up clinics by doctors or qualified clinicians. It may not be solution or perfect but could reduce costly health care system.
Something that we in Canada are thinking about to have basic health care system yet still another universal to reduce costs and waiting list for Canadians.
The main reason we have a waiting list a bit longer than USA is that many Canadian doctors were lured into American medical system due to $$$$$$$ salaries… We are struggling to prevent that but could not do anything due to $$$$… It forces our health care system costs up to keep as many Canadian doctors as possible to stay in Canada. In fact universal health care system would not be a big problem in Canada if many Canadian doctors did not move to the states.
The capitalist health care system in the states is a mess and is hurting our Canadian health care system and we are struggling to correct it and adjust it by increase costs. The capitalist ones are the roots of problem of all.
It is like private police forces and fire services that only designs for people who can afford them. Poor will not get it if they are in trouble. That does not MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. That also applies to health care system.
Deafchip
12/05/2009 at 11:27 AM
While capitalism isn’t perfect, there’s absolutely nothing redeeming about socialism. None. Nada. Capitalism is many ways (innovation, competition, inspiration, production, distribution, satisfaction, choices, and usefulness). Socialism is one way (control, control, control….).
RLM, every private health insurer have different business structures and own rules to manage its own business in order to provide services for customers and guarantee return of investment. Granted, some health care insurers have too much powers over doctors, medical practices and hospitals, because they’re worried about the bottom line: maintaining its business through profits.
No profits, employees get laid off, and an insurer goes out of business. Customers suffer because of fewer competitions and higher prices.
A government-run health care will not even address basic health care for everyone, because it puts enormous financial burdens on those who have a lot of money and force them to give to those who have little or none. More taxes would mean less choices and less competitions. Wealthy people are more likely to move elsewhere than to be burdened by the government to pay more in taxes. As evidently, many wealthy New Yorkers are moving out of New York state already. It would stifle or prevent their abilities to invest money in the markets and even contribute money to worthy charities.
You (RLM) and deafchip know very little of the benefits of capitalism and relied on age-old rhetoric cliches of the left that leave no room for rational thinking and common sense.
12/05/2009 at 2:11 PM
Under The Hill
Yes I do recognize capitalism that does work… but in some areas that capitalism should not be involved. For example, police, fire, education, military and health care belong to the public, not capitalism. Other than that, like stores, automobiles, hockey, football, recreation, non essential services, etc, that should belong to capitalism or individual choice.
If people want better such as privileges due to money, they can add more options upon the public services such hiring private bodyguard or security professional(no way police), additional or fancy benefits of health care and even mecerency soldiers that is up to individual decision. But for the public, that is the whole different story.
I believe in capitalism but not ABSOLUTE CAPITALISM that it appears you are in favour of. I do not believe in absolute socialism as well. Both of them are dangerous and extreme to our community. We deserve to have both of them as a balance.
I am a rational thinker and not to be stuck in both of extreme worlds. It appears that you have failed to get off the box… I was like you as a right wing Conservative. But now I am a red Tory that is a conservative who believes in capitalism but support a safety net for everyone as a basic guarantee to everyone that government should be invovled for specific reasons.
If there is any problem, we can work and make a plan in ahead of time… in the past, we thought our universal health care system was failure due to serious warning from Canadian Medical Assocaition (that has been in general in favour of American health system) Why, because of $$$$$ salaries that doctors would make lots of money. Anway CMA was wrong again and again and again.. we always find a way to solute the problem and minimize the problems as much as possible by working together… We still do planning by having governments, communities, health care specialists and even businesses involved to solve new challenges…
Now govenrments have recognized that and are making new medical schools to attract new students. THat will minimize future problems.
Generally provincial governemnts are legal responsible in charge of health care system through government funded health insurance. Federal government helps allocate billions of dollars to all provinces to make sure that all Canadians get same health support in all provinces.
We do have many wealthy people living in Canada. I dont see your point, only a very few people like that moved out of Canada… it does not impact us for more than 50 years… Economy in Canada is doing much better than USA… How can you tell me…. USA has higher unemployed people than Canada. Our taxes are closer to the USA than ever before still we have our universal health care system…
Oh well, I better stop typing that long!
Good weekend!
12/05/2009 at 5:17 PM
I’m sorry for using Wikipedia as a reference. I did not know there was anything wrong with it. But the information I used is the same in other places, so the point still remains; the US spends more on health care per person than other Western democracies and does not seem to be getting the same bang for the buck. Australia and Canada have socialized medicine, spend far less per person, but have a longer life expectancy. I have a hard time understanding why we should tolerate that.
The comment about the little African country is funny. It’s not germane, though. Comparing Ivory Coast to the US is not comparing apples to oranges — it’s comparing apples to moon rocks!
Anyway, as we all know, there are 2 things we cannot avoid: death and taxes. I want to get something out of my taxes. And I don’t mind if the government takes over the health insurance business. At least I know the government is not motivated by money. While the insurance companies are motivated by money.
I do agree, though, that we cannot be taking care of every freaking leech that is sucking the government teat right now. A great place to start purging would be getting all the able-bodied lazy deaf people OFF social security.
Yes, that is a pet peeve — the deaf who can work but instead stay home and receive social security benefits. I work my tail off. I am profoundly deaf. I resent those who are like me except are lazy and stay home getting SSI or SSD which comes from my efforts. (Retarded deaf and multi-handicapped deaf… that is different. I am talking about otherwise capable deaf people.) We all know people like this, right? It would be better if we had a tax deduction like blind people do. This is something this little group here should be pushing for!
Tax deduction for the deaf! Get the deaf off the dole!
Who is with me?
12/06/2009 at 6:40 PM
Approximately $60 billion dollars were lost to Medicare fraud and waste each year. This is what a govt run health care looks like. What makes you think that our govt can do better with this health care bill? It cannot. History shows they are incapable of doing things efficiently when it comes to finances.
Certainly, the spend less but what people get out of it is more rationing, longer wait times, emergency/serious procedures in need are delayed and so on.
As for deafchip, you are incorrect about the police, fire, and education part. Capitalism is what helps support and keep afloat their police and fire department, and their schools. They are supported by their local tax dollars and bond money raised, and not money from the Federal govt. When businesses suffer low sales, go out of business, or relocate elsewhere the city or town loses one of their biggest means of collecting taxes to help pay the salaries of fire fighters, the police and even the teachers, as well as provide money to help maintain the buildings and vehicles.
http://www.nsba.org/HPC/Features/AboutSBN/SbnArchive/2009/January-2009/Despite-recession-most-voters-support-school-bonds-and-levies.aspx
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/nov/10/spokane-fire-bond-falls-short/
http://www.smartvoter.org/2002/03/05/ca/scl/meas/O/
Some examples on how bonds are used and voted on to help support local infrastructures and maintenance.
12/07/2009 at 10:59 AM
Capitalist health care system? Ours is not currently a pure capitalism, unfortunately. There are too many federal regulations as well as the ridiculous lawsuits. Of course, doctors and surgeons are humans thus not 100% perfect. Under regulations and fear of lawsuits, it is no wonder the health care costs have skyrocketed. Doctors & Surgeons are required to have “Malpractice” Insurance. My uncle-in-law, a surgeon, said that that insurance alone costs half his salary. So it is a classic example of the Domino Effect – to why our medical costs are expensive.
Under Socialism, our health care system will fall apart and put our nation in bankrupt as predicted. Many companies providing medical benefits may cancel these (and offering employees a bit more in salary as a compensation, probably). People in medical fields will be controlled by the government with stiff policies. Then, there may be no innovation for new discovery on medicines, surgeries, etc. Number of doctors & surgeons will decrease and the patients will suffer with poor quality health care.
Assuming we live in pure capitalism (laissez-faire), capitalism), there would be no lawsuit or regulation of any kind. The medical costs will decrease much because the health care would not need protection. The doctors and surgeons would have their job security based on reputation. Suppose I get a bad surgery or find out that doctor is unqualified, I would post it in the internet so other people would consider all benefits and risks before making their medical choices. The choice should always be left to the customers/patients because we see more than the government does.
Of course, the medical people would not risk losing their jobs based on OUR choices. Federal people think we are incapable to make any choice yet they make poor choices for us.
Hope this makes some sense..
12/07/2009 at 11:53 AM
Rumblintank
Ironically, lawsuit in Canadian universally health care system is almost unheard.
Lawsuits happen in American capitalist health care system.
Deafchip
12/07/2009 at 9:15 PM
deafchip, incorrect.
Lawsuits do occur in Canada involving the health care system…..alot.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=lawsuit+canada+%22health+care%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Here’s a classic example of Canada’s lack of speedy health care which culminated into a lawsuit. Waiting for a doctor and surgery can and has made things worse for those who have conditions that need to be addressed right away….not 18 months down the road.
“The first foot in the door for private medicine came in 2005, when the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the laws in Quebec that banned private insurance. The court found that having people die while on wait lists violated the province’s Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/27/nation/na-healthcare-canada27
How ironic.
Look before you leap, deafchip.
12/08/2009 at 12:30 AM
mcconnell, incorrect again!
I am talking about malpractice lawsuits that have happened in the states ALOT. In Canada, some people who got surgeries in other countries take legal action against provincial public health insurance to pay for the expenses. That is way low of percentage of overall universal health care system. Yes I agree with Supreme Court of Canada’s decision that if public health care does not work, then should have private health care insurance as an alternate. The decision has forced governments to do something about that. That is part of internal process to improve the system A large percentage of Canadians acknowledge that we do not have a perfect health care system but we do appreciate we have public health care system. It does not affect me and even my own families all my life even my friends’ families. There are situation that you mentioned are rare in Canada. In the past, yes life threatening situation was THE issue… but now it has improved gradually… we expect to have some problems that are part of our daily life.
Media is exaggerating Canadian health care stories. That is really a false propaganda. Need to look at overall picture not a small tiny picture. It is like MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HOLE!
12/08/2009 at 3:52 AM
Again, you’re backpeddling, deafchip. You said, “lawsuit in Canadian universally health care system is almost unheard. ” And that means hardly ever. But lawsuits do occur, enough of it. There are many lawsuits in Canada that deal with health care or medical practices (e.g. malpractice) though not as extensive because the plaintiffs have pay for any investigation fees which is a disincentive not to file for a lawsuit but many lawsuits still occur and continues to grow.
“there is a growing body of case law respecting medical malpractice that demonstrates a tendency of the courts and juries to be somewhat more open to claims that a physician should be held liable for committing an act of negligence that causes injury to a person to whom he or she owes a duty of care.”
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/medical-malpractice-liability/canada.php
12/08/2009 at 8:59 AM
mcconnell,
Humm, I mentioned “almost” unheard. It means that Canada does have that but much much less than the states. I stand by my position.
I have been involved in Local Health Integration Networks that allocate funds to all agencies including hospitals for the past few years. I know its weaknesses and strenghts. We are working hard to improve the system. That is part of community participation….
My bottom line is that all Canadians have health coverage with some excellent services and with some poor services. No questions asked. My biggest concerns for about 40 million Americans who do not have health care coverage and unnecessary expensive health care insurance coverages.
12/08/2009 at 9:29 AM
deafchip: My biggest concerns for about 40 million Americans who do not have health care coverage and unnecessary expensive health care insurance coverages.
40 million Americans who could turn into lifelong hypochondriacs on the basis of the new health care reform. Not to mention about 12 million illegal immigrants that the Democrats wanted to include coverage! Egad.
12/08/2009 at 5:20 PM
“My bottom line is that all Canadians have health coverage with some excellent services and with some poor services.”
Mostly poor services because they have to be put on a waiting list that can last weeks to months, even for a simple surgery and, unfortunately, more often for serious surgeries and medical care. Which is why many cross over to the United States to have their serious medical care addressed immediately as possible.
12/08/2009 at 11:41 PM
mcconnell
What a stubborn guy you are! I am using my blackberry and I could not give you full info that mentioned (to my best recollection) that around 1 percent of Canadians have gone to the states to get medical treatment due to various reasons such as rural areas closer to usa city than to canadian cities, waiting list for specific cases such as longer waiting list due to lack of doctors available in canada due to usa health care system stole from canada because of higher $$$$ salaries in the states.
Anyway, we can go on talking like that . I know some of you still stand by your position so am I!
12/09/2009 at 9:54 AM
Maybe you happen to live in grand part of Canada and overlook the hard facts we point out? Some of my friends from Canada concur with the facts.
Reminding me of this Reagan’s quotation: “It isn’t that Liberals are ignorant. It’s that they know so much that ain’t so.”
12/09/2009 at 10:36 PM
And it would be nice of deafchip to provide a link to that claim of 1%. Besides, that would mean 300,000 Canadians go to the United States every year for medical procedures that Canada is unable to provide. That’s a fairly big chunk. Bigger than the U.S. number (percentage wise) of Americans that go abroad as part of their medical tourism.